tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post203185230334823377..comments2023-12-26T02:50:32.816-05:00Comments on Bitter Leaf Fan Page: Something I Learned TodayMF37http://www.blogger.com/profile/10238252282255067686noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-49587749423886061552008-09-06T22:39:00.000-04:002008-09-06T22:39:00.000-04:00I guarantee, in four years everyone will be raving...I guarantee, in four years everyone will be raving about the work Fletcher has done setting up the team to suceed. He's allowing the next GM to have many more options in the future then he was afforded when he stepped back in. Everyone seems to forget that Fletcher had ONE trading partner for McCabe, that's isn't the type of leverage that will have you pulling in a fair return for your player. HeUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02850518021738261053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-24885807566379996032008-09-04T23:48:00.000-04:002008-09-04T23:48:00.000-04:00PPP - Are you suggesting, based on one old quote, ...<B>PPP</B> - Are you suggesting, based on one old quote, that McCabe is uncoachable?MF37https://www.blogger.com/profile/10238252282255067686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-42659178733207683652008-09-04T18:18:00.000-04:002008-09-04T18:18:00.000-04:00How do you know this? I'd love to know the basis f...<I>How do you know this? I'd love to know the basis for this argument. <BR/><BR/>I'd argue that a new coach, new supporting cast along with reduced minutes and expectations seems tailor made for McCabe to re-find his stride and increase his value.</I><BR/><BR/>My basis is entirely on the fact that McCabe has shown that he is unable to cope under the pressure of expectations and the Toronto media.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-9525573090563829242008-09-03T21:03:00.000-04:002008-09-03T21:03:00.000-04:00I always agree with you but not so sure this time....I always agree with you but not so sure this time. <BR/><BR/>Yes the Leafs asset management has been horrible and with a salary cap it can't be masked by throwing more money at the problem. We haven't had a brilliant GM in years so they always buy high and sell low as you put it.<BR/><BR/>I agree that the management structure needs to cleaned out and that won't happen for another year. Though Pseudonymhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08175387460594347075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-42724821811793364942008-09-03T15:04:00.000-04:002008-09-03T15:04:00.000-04:00Coach Dunbar - I'm talking historically - this org...<B>Coach Dunbar</B> - I'm talking historically - this organization has always had the bad habit of shedding players at the wrong time. Not just trades, but waivers and buy-outs too. <BR/><BR/>Larry Murphy, Jason Smith, Steve Sullivan, Darcy Tucker, Kyle Wellwood, Bryan McCabe, Dmitri Kristich, Tie Domi, Brad Boyes, Brian Bradley (this is just off the top of my head) all shed from the Leafs when MF37https://www.blogger.com/profile/10238252282255067686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-20489492309419281292008-09-03T14:27:00.000-04:002008-09-03T14:27:00.000-04:00Thanks... I'm still waking up here. Should of gone...Thanks... I'm still waking up here. Should of gone back to bed but oh well. As for trading players at their nadir are you just talking this past year? Rask and Boyles were not anywhere near their nidar nor do I think Clark or Murphey were either.<BR/><BR/>I don't think McCabe was all that to start off with so his status as a valuable member of a team is somewhat lower than yours. Even when he hadpuckbuddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08564834851364830747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-27228132021018262052008-09-03T12:42:00.000-04:002008-09-03T12:42:00.000-04:00Coach Dunbar Sorry, nadir is the lowest point - i...<B>Coach Dunbar</B> Sorry, nadir is the lowest point - it's the opposite of zenith.<BR/><BR/>I also think that it's ok to discount late round draft picks, but at this point I think the Leafs should be trying to hold on to as many picks/prospects as they can.<BR/><BR/>And you raise a great point - I'd love to know how the Leaf scouting department compares to the best in the league.MF37https://www.blogger.com/profile/10238252282255067686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-64744641060864577302008-09-03T12:39:00.000-04:002008-09-03T12:39:00.000-04:00Sorry I wrote the above before I saw your last pos...Sorry I wrote the above before I saw your last post... <BR/>Ok it seems 2nd and 3rd are gone... I still don't think the scouting is up to par yet.puckbuddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08564834851364830747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-58111116842288746412008-09-03T12:35:00.000-04:002008-09-03T12:35:00.000-04:00M37 First I forgot to mention good job on this pos...M37 First I forgot to mention good job on this post on my first comment..<BR/>As for your reply, I don't understand stand part of it is that a typo? otherwise what's a nadir?<BR/><BR/>I know you never said or even would say that the only way to build a team is by stock piling picks but when we talk about picks, I can see your point if it were 1st or 2nd rounders but until this organization can puckbuddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08564834851364830747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-44853123115101330072008-09-03T12:25:00.000-04:002008-09-03T12:25:00.000-04:00PPP - With a new coach and what, seven or eight ne...<B>PPP</B> - With a new coach and what, seven or eight new roster players, it would have been interesting to see if McCabe's alleged attitude problem could have been re-shaped or at least dealt with.<BR/><BR/><I>"As for keeping him to find his game for his trade value to increase, wasn't going to happen."</I><BR/><BR/>How do you know this? I'd love to know the basis for this argument. <BR/><BR/>MF37https://www.blogger.com/profile/10238252282255067686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-59485215767962761642008-09-03T12:15:00.000-04:002008-09-03T12:15:00.000-04:00Re: Bad influenceIt's not so much that there are r...Re: Bad influence<BR/><BR/>It's not so much that there are rumours about him behind closed doors (I haven't heard any but I never hear anything) it's the loser attitude that he and Tucker were prime proponents of during the post-lockout period.<BR/><BR/>Those guys used to be bulldogs and they became french poodles. Wah wah wah, don't criticize me, wah wah wah, he has a family, wah wah wah, we Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-14067775655475464682008-09-03T11:42:00.000-04:002008-09-03T11:42:00.000-04:00Chemmy Yeah, Van Ryn is a tradeable asset, but nam...<B>Chemmy</B> Yeah, Van Ryn is a tradeable asset, but name me the last leaf that was traded at his peak value? (Other than the bizarre-o world Kilger trade).<BR/><BR/>I've seen this movie before and I don't like how it ends.MF37https://www.blogger.com/profile/10238252282255067686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-14697701356498223042008-09-03T11:24:00.000-04:002008-09-03T11:24:00.000-04:00PPP I don't think I'm over valuing McCabe. I just ...<B>PPP</B> I don't think I'm over valuing McCabe. I just don't think it's a wise move to trade a legit #2 or #3 defenceman when his value is at its lowest.<BR/><BR/>The Leafs are going to stink with or without McCabe this year. It would have been far more prudent to stay the course, see if he can find his game and increase his trade value.MF37https://www.blogger.com/profile/10238252282255067686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-4882895038110520782008-09-03T11:20:00.000-04:002008-09-03T11:20:00.000-04:00DGB Does anyone have any primary source on McCabe ...<B>DGB</B> Does anyone have any primary source on McCabe being a bad influence in the locker room? <BR/><BR/>More importantly, why the urgency to move him - it makes absolutely no sense to unload him when he's at his lowest value. <BR/><BR/>I don't buy the cap space argument either. The Leafs can't sign any of their RFA/UFAs until January 1, and even then the cap hit doesn't apply until 2009-2010MF37https://www.blogger.com/profile/10238252282255067686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-61908017518336130762008-09-03T11:15:00.000-04:002008-09-03T11:15:00.000-04:00Coach Dunbar Thanks for the comment, but my point ...<B>Coach Dunbar</B> Thanks for the comment, but my point remains: all of the players lost by the leafs were shipped out at their nadir. That's no way to build a team. I've never suggested that there's only one way to build a team, but you certainly can't build through the draft if you keep dealing away picks the way this team has...MF37https://www.blogger.com/profile/10238252282255067686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-77506294572500506362008-09-03T10:51:00.000-04:002008-09-03T10:51:00.000-04:00Don't forget that Van Ryn is a tradeable asset. If...Don't forget that Van Ryn is a tradeable asset. If he performs well this year he could be moved for young kids or a high draft pick at the deadline, something we couldn't do with McCabe.Chemmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15876764848455502787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-78883224291621302902008-09-03T10:41:00.000-04:002008-09-03T10:41:00.000-04:00mccabe gave his ass for this team. that can never,...<I>mccabe gave his ass for this team. that can never, ever be doubted, and that's the legacy he will leave, in my eyes at least.</I><BR/><BR/>You can't criticize the Iraq War because you are criticizing the troops and hate America. That's the same logic. McCabe absolutely did NOT give his ass for the team. His complete refusal to adjust his game demonstrates that fact.<BR/><BR/>MF, great post. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-68165307712386060782008-09-03T10:30:00.000-04:002008-09-03T10:30:00.000-04:00I don't think anybody is arguing that McCabe was a...I don't think anybody is arguing that McCabe was a good player in 2004. But the reality is that he's been average-to-awful for the past two seasons. And in a salary cap world, a guy with a massive long-term deal can be a franchise killer. <BR/><BR/>That's especially true if he's a self-professed dressing room leader who specialized is making excuses for repeated failure.<BR/><BR/>McCabe needed toDown Goes Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10150805735008417848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-56696943797454323392008-09-03T10:29:00.000-04:002008-09-03T10:29:00.000-04:00I think the key word in your article is assets. As...I think the key word in your article is assets. Asset in the true sense of the word means something or one of value or quality. In those "assets" the Leafs let walk out the door for nothing do not really qualify with that definition of the word. Perhaps a non-back injured Belfour or a young and not worn out Tucker and a can-opening clutch and grabbing McCabe might of qualified as assets but puckbuddyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08564834851364830747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-40846593915259049692008-09-02T22:49:00.000-04:002008-09-02T22:49:00.000-04:00the bashage of mccabe in leafs nation really disap...the bashage of mccabe in leafs nation really disappoints me. the guy became the whipping boy, and this city always needs one. he went from hero to goat remarkably fast, and it just shows me how fickle toronto maple leafs fans are. <BR/><BR/>i wouldn't be surprised if mccabe is happy to be gone. i can't imagine why mats would want to come back. i totally understand why toronto might have a tough Navin Vaswani (@eyebleaf)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08445618400360263938noreply@blogger.com