tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post7043880535649459167..comments2023-12-26T02:50:32.816-05:00Comments on Bitter Leaf Fan Page: Road to Nowhere: Leafs Trade VersteegMF37http://www.blogger.com/profile/10238252282255067686noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-53967310150248596402011-07-01T21:19:02.781-04:002011-07-01T21:19:02.781-04:00Burke sure got more for Versteeg than Flyers got f...Burke sure got more for Versteeg than Flyers got for him today. Case closed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-14172860155256267572011-06-11T09:46:33.453-04:002011-06-11T09:46:33.453-04:00Pretty good post. I just stumbled upon your blog a...Pretty good post. I just stumbled upon your blog and wanted to say that I have really enjoyed reading your blog posts.<br /><br /><a href="http://customfan-page.com" rel="nofollow">custom facebook fan page</a>Custom Facebook Fan Pagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09373518750922202169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-10674053747237317002011-02-17T23:56:35.568-05:002011-02-17T23:56:35.568-05:00Matt, Versteeg was brought in to play on one of th...Matt, Versteeg was brought in to play on one of the top two lines but didn't mesh with Kessel or Bozak and the Grabovski line was pretty much set after the first few games. I'm not saying he was having a bad year. Far from it, as you've pointed out he was doing fairly well. I don't think he was fitting into the role Burke envisioned when he made the deal. That's what I Paul Steckleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-22236814308004838432011-02-17T14:39:19.205-05:002011-02-17T14:39:19.205-05:00Thanks Suckers!!Thanks Suckers!!Flyersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-72208598189875800812011-02-17T13:52:23.512-05:002011-02-17T13:52:23.512-05:00How come some teams are consistantly making the pl...<i>How come some teams are consistantly making the playoffs....Detroit...Montreal.... As long as the MakeBeleafs keep filling the seats, no management will ever care.</i><br /><br />HAHAHA Montreal? since 98 the Habs have missed the playoffs as many times as the Leafs.Pension Plan Puppetshttp://www.pensionplanpuppets.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-90837409954539176322011-02-16T20:46:11.103-05:002011-02-16T20:46:11.103-05:00Paul - how was Versteeg clearly not working out? H...Paul - how was Versteeg clearly not working out? He was on pace to pretty much match his career highs in goals, assists, and points? Plus, he's only a RFA after next year's end.Matthttp://www.fiveminutesforfighting.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-27829280203582202512011-02-16T14:56:56.970-05:002011-02-16T14:56:56.970-05:00"How come some teams are consistantly making ..."How come some teams are consistantly making the playoffs....Detroit...Montreal...."<br /><br />Look at the owners an there attitude....It tells the whole story as to why.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-11247968264754496442011-02-16T09:03:37.452-05:002011-02-16T09:03:37.452-05:00I also don't like the deal but there have been...I also don't like the deal but there have been trade rumours surrounding Versteeg for months. I have to think that if there was a better deal for Versteeg out there, Burke would have found it by now. Versteeg's contract only runs through next season so his value would have only decreased past this trade deadline.<br /><br />He clearly wasn't working out here and I think there must Paul Steckleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-39221512388644130912011-02-15T21:51:35.543-05:002011-02-15T21:51:35.543-05:00Bang on post. If you thought this year's free ...Bang on post. If you thought this year's free agent crop was bad you better check out 2012's. Good thing the world's going to end.Matthttp://www.fiveminutesforfighting.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-83957061055173272052011-02-15T16:04:24.142-05:002011-02-15T16:04:24.142-05:00The Leafs are constantly stepping backwards. I can...The Leafs are constantly stepping backwards. I cant even remember if it was 4 or 5 years since we even made the playoffs. How come some teams are consistantly making the playoffs....Detroit...Montreal.... As long as the MakeBeleafs keep filling the seats, no management will ever care.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-66129384470270511492011-02-15T16:01:21.485-05:002011-02-15T16:01:21.485-05:00His age might have aligned but his role didn't...His age might have aligned but his role didn't. Like most pundits are saying he is more suited to be a 3rd liner on a deep team, rather than a first or second line winger. <br /><br />I'm not disputing any of the other mistakes burke has made since he got here, there have been a lot, but like I said he has gotten rid of a terrible culture of JF jr and the Muskoka Five. This is a good Ryannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-91359319561518495832011-02-15T14:54:27.976-05:002011-02-15T14:54:27.976-05:00Ryan - Versteeg is 24. His age is perfectly aligne...<b>Ryan</b> - Versteeg is 24. His age is perfectly aligned with the core of the club.<br /><br />Burke misjudged the talent on the team. He was wrong to think playoffs. He misjudged the talent levels of Komisarek, Lebda and, to a certain degree, Phaneuf. You're now telling me he misjudged Versteeg.<br /><br />Good thing he's making these deals. Not like he's been wrong in the past.<brMF37https://www.blogger.com/profile/10238252282255067686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-89048153658195073522011-02-15T14:45:30.812-05:002011-02-15T14:45:30.812-05:00Burke's initial plan wasn't working. His ...Burke's initial plan wasn't working. His trading Versteeg is in a way him admitting his mistake of not focusing on young prospects and draft picks. His last few moves have cleared cap space, added a young prospect a couple of years out of the show, and picks. This is a step backward from 'making the playoffs now' like he originally intended, but in my opinion is better for the Ryannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-41998758274886323322011-02-15T14:36:27.354-05:002011-02-15T14:36:27.354-05:00Anonymous 2:29 - People win the Lotto 6/49 every w...<b>Anonymous 2:29</b> - People win the Lotto 6/49 every week. It doesn't change the odds of it actually happening.<br /><br />You might want to read up on probabilities before you comment again.MF37https://www.blogger.com/profile/10238252282255067686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-27477143610726110652011-02-15T14:35:25.522-05:002011-02-15T14:35:25.522-05:00Ryan - So a step backwards is a step in the right ...<b>Ryan</b> - So a step backwards is a step in the right direction?MF37https://www.blogger.com/profile/10238252282255067686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-7814098701929129342011-02-15T14:29:51.708-05:002011-02-15T14:29:51.708-05:00You write: In short, it doesn’t look like the Leaf...You write: In short, it doesn’t look like the Leafs are going to pluck a player with Versteeg’s ability out of that draft spot. Sure, it could happen, but why roll the dice?<br /><br />----------------<br /><br />FYI; Versteeg was drafted in the 5th round, 134th overall.<br /><br />CheersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-16499053305772138972011-02-15T13:44:07.575-05:002011-02-15T13:44:07.575-05:00Man you people are hard to please...First its &quo...Man you people are hard to please...First its "we have no draft picks ooh nooooo'" Then he trades for picks and its the worst trade ever. Please wait to see what happens with this trade as it is clearly just a means to another end. <br /><br />Also Kris Versteeg just didn't work out, bottom line. We picked him up as a salary dump for unproven talent. He was supposed to Ryannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-5144530352531999972011-02-15T12:30:36.392-05:002011-02-15T12:30:36.392-05:00Anonymous 12:09 - Thanks for the comment and the m...<b>Anonymous 12:09</b> - Thanks for the comment and the math corrections.<br /><br />Perry wasn't a Burke draft pick, he was selected by Bryan Murray in 2003 (Burke didn't move to Anaheim until 2005). But you are correct, Burke did nab Kesler in 2003. Still, I don't like the Leafs' odds on this one...MF37https://www.blogger.com/profile/10238252282255067686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-71484317305968046202011-02-15T12:26:59.026-05:002011-02-15T12:26:59.026-05:00Anonymous 11:19 - I may have no proof to say that ...<b>Anonymous 11:19</b> - I may have no proof to say that the Leafs won't get a quality player in the 25-30 slot, but history certainly suggests the odds *really* aren't in the Leafs' favour.<br /><br />I'm glad you're optimistic, but hope isn't a strategy nor does it affect probabilities.MF37https://www.blogger.com/profile/10238252282255067686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-30674094719035090922011-02-15T12:09:53.052-05:002011-02-15T12:09:53.052-05:00Nice post for the most part. Your math is a bit o...Nice post for the most part. Your math is a bit off in some spots (it's 16 drafts, 9 have 58 goals or better, plus the numbers skew nicely for forwards when you drop the 07-09 drafts), but otherwise bang on.<br /><br />Of note: With picks in this range Burke has pick Corey Perry and Ryan Kesler. So there is that...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-90558235364750254502011-02-15T11:34:33.860-05:002011-02-15T11:34:33.860-05:00as the saying goes, a bird in hand is better than....as the saying goes, a bird in hand is better than....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-46803757145202716612011-02-15T11:20:37.078-05:002011-02-15T11:20:37.078-05:00You have to be the most die hard, do no wrong Leaf...You have to be the most die hard, do no wrong Leafs/Burke, fan to think this is a good deal. Take the man's keys away, because Burke is turning into Al Davis. Every deal he makes is worse than the one before it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-87744940260314581782011-02-15T11:19:25.951-05:002011-02-15T11:19:25.951-05:00The fact of the matter is those draft stats mean a...The fact of the matter is those draft stats mean absolutely nothing. The young talent we are getting this day and age from junior players is better than ever. You have no proof to say that the pick won't get us a quality player. You just don't know. No one does. Did anyone think Patric Hornqvist would be this good when he was taken dead last in his draft year? Of course it's a risk, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-90193908232304952842011-02-15T11:16:57.095-05:002011-02-15T11:16:57.095-05:00Teams who take proven goal scorers are always bett...Teams who take proven goal scorers are always better off, take what happened with the first and 3rd (and extra 1st admittedly) that Boston got for the talented 30+ goal scored they traded a year or so back....... Not that a 25-30 pick will be as lucrative as a 2nd admittedly, but still.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-38018486779251364962011-02-15T09:40:07.336-05:002011-02-15T09:40:07.336-05:00This deal is leading to possible 2 other deals tha...<i>This deal is leading to possible 2 other deals that is why it is a good deal.</i><br /><br />I'll believe that when me shit turns purple and tastes like rainbow sherbert.<br /><br />This deal is bad and no amount of turd polishing is going to change that.Pension Plan Puppetshttp://www.pensionplanpuppets.comnoreply@blogger.com