tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post7342607522702425512..comments2023-12-26T02:50:32.816-05:00Comments on Bitter Leaf Fan Page: I'm so sick of GoodbyesMF37http://www.blogger.com/profile/10238252282255067686noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-58051134898734241992009-01-13T12:25:00.000-05:002009-01-13T12:25:00.000-05:00great stuff man. looks like i need to bookmark yo...great stuff man. looks like i need to bookmark your blog.<BR/><BR/>i remember the day they stripped rick of the captaincy. i'm pretty sure they had a sunday afternoon game in buffalo. i was at my grandfather's house watching the game with him, and they announced it in the pre-game show. i was 8 or 9 and i was crushed, ricky was my favourite leaf at the time. <BR/><BR/>oh, and mats is, in Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-52972237688859837472008-12-21T16:31:00.000-05:002008-12-21T16:31:00.000-05:00It occurs to me that if you loosen the definition ...It occurs to me that if you loosen the definition a little bit -- if you talk about captains retiring with their teams (but not necessarily while wearing the "C") -- then the Leafs may actually <I>lead</I> the league in that category.<BR/><BR/>Funny how that doesn't make it into Cox columns.Down Goes Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10150805735008417848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-12062416321501618022008-12-20T20:32:00.000-05:002008-12-20T20:32:00.000-05:00Just a note, MacInnis and Stevens were not immedia...Just a note, MacInnis and Stevens were not immediately forced to retire due to injury but they were both injured for an extended period of time (much of 03-04 and the lockout) and did not play after being injured before hanging up the skates, if I remember correctly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-91624800467998872332008-12-20T13:48:00.000-05:002008-12-20T13:48:00.000-05:00Paul - It's a fair point, but I think it illustrat...Paul - It's a fair point, but I think it illustrates that Leaf fans will forgive. Time heals all wounds in this town, and it will heal the Sundin stuff too. Just not right now.<BR/><BR/>I'd also argue that the Gilmour situation is a great counter-point to those who think Sundin got some sort of rough ride in Toronto. Compared to Gilmour's final months, Sundin has been treated with absolute kid Down Goes Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10150805735008417848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-43419798591691421192008-12-20T12:57:00.000-05:002008-12-20T12:57:00.000-05:00Paul - I loved what Gilmour did with and for the L...<B>Paul</B> - I loved what Gilmour did with and for the Leafs, but I'm astounded at how few people remember just how bad his last year with the Leafs was. <BR/><BR/>The team was pretty much dead last all year, Mike Murphy sucked, ownership was goofy and Gilmour certainly didn't help his cause with his trade-me, don't trade me mixed messages.mf37https://www.blogger.com/profile/05822270789605771752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-22861392716256068542008-12-20T12:53:00.000-05:002008-12-20T12:53:00.000-05:00DGB - I've never understood the unbridled criticis...<B>DGB</B> - I've never understood the unbridled criticism about the way the Leafs have handled their captains. Yeah, I suppose exposing your captain to the waiver wire isn't ideal, but it's not out of line with the actions of other NHL teams.<BR/><BR/>Montreal, the alleged paragon of class in the NHL, traded Chelios, Carboneau, Muller, Keane, Turgeon and Damphousse. <BR/><BR/>Boston traded mf37https://www.blogger.com/profile/05822270789605771752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-53189741070064952002008-12-20T12:02:00.000-05:002008-12-20T12:02:00.000-05:00I'm glad you mentioned all that nonsense that Gilm...I'm glad you mentioned all that nonsense that Gilmour pulled in his last season. I still don't understand why fans have almost universally forgiven him but still hold a grudge against Sundin. Sundin is vilified for not wanting to leave the team, but Gilmour is loved despite the fact that he orchestrated his own departure. Unbelievable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-78126796843229657432008-12-20T10:34:00.000-05:002008-12-20T10:34:00.000-05:00Wow.I expected the list to be short, but that's ri...Wow.<BR/><BR/>I expected the list to be short, but that's ridiculous. Especially when you consider that Laus and Mellanby were basically veteran guys on expansion teams, and I don't even remember Smith playing for Calgary.<BR/><BR/>When guys like Cox criticize the Leafs for never having their captains retire, they're talking about long-time guys like Clark and Sundin. Your list shows that that's Down Goes Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10150805735008417848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-40549229614192196012008-12-19T16:31:00.000-05:002008-12-19T16:31:00.000-05:00It's a pretty rare thing for a captain to retire. ...It's a pretty rare thing for a captain to retire. I've updated the blog with a short list of those who managed to pull it off.<BR/><BR/>Even Modano moved over for Morrow, I presumed he'd go down wearing the Star's C.MF37https://www.blogger.com/profile/10238252282255067686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24746874.post-59195537331596585882008-12-19T16:21:00.000-05:002008-12-19T16:21:00.000-05:00Something to think about on this snowy afternoon: ...<I>Something to think about on this snowy afternoon: not since George Armstrong in 1970 has a Leaf captain retired as a Leaf.</I><BR/><BR/>Well, not as a Leaf captain. Gilmour and Clark both retired as Leafs.<BR/><BR/>But the point is taken. This comes up a lot, and I really wonder if it actually tells us that much. How many captains retire with their teams? Sure, there's always an Yzerman or a Down Goes Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10150805735008417848noreply@blogger.com